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Hi Matt

Thanks for another insightful write-up.

Wise has morphed into my 2nd largest holding after an initial buy at £10, followed by top-ups all the way down to £3.20, so I hope it's okay to add a few comments.

1 - I wasn't aware that Meta had moved into FX payments. In fact, I'm really surprised by this - I would have thought that the regulatory risks would put them off entering this space.

I hope you don't mind me asking, but do you have any further information on this?

2 - Visa risk.

One interesting comment from the recent Wise CMD was the company saying that there was nothing to stop other players doing what they do, but that they:

a) had first mover advantage;

b) could keep lowering their prices to force competitors to do the same (and therefore slow them down), and;

c) offer more services under one umbrella than every other player out there (e.g. B2C, B2B, etc...)

It was an interesting response.

3 - Digital Currency risk - thanks, I never thought about this.

I assume the risk is more on the value proposition of Wise rather than their due diligence proficiency (KYC and AML.) Presumably even with a Digital Currency you need to make sure you need to know who is sending/receiving the funds.

4 - Wise card usage made up 27% of underlying income last year, up from 19% just 2 years ago.

FX is down to 62% from 76% 2 years ago.

I personally believe that the expansion into other products, on top of the ever-cheaper FX proposition, will drive LT growth.

5 - On a similar note to the above, the #1 metric that I have been following for a few years is the Wise Account + Asset cash balance.

In theory if these go up, then all the other revenues should go up too.

FYI this balance was £21.5b vs £11.2b 2 years ago, and up 29% YOY.

6 - The reason there wasn't any interest income before 2023 is because there wasn't any.

In fact, Wise was losing money on cash balances pre-2023 due to negative interest rates.

7 - Kristo, the CEO, only has a controlling stake until March 2026. After this his B shares are effectively cancelled and he will lose voting control of the company.

8 - If the company isn't able to return interest to their customers like they want to, then the "underlying" metric doesn't really make sense in the long term.

So I personally prefer to use their statutory figures for now.

Statutory PBT should be £550m for FY25 vs a current market cap of £11b (plus >£1b of corporate cash)

That doesn't seem overly expensive with the current growth rates and I can only assume that I'm missing something obvious here.

Thanks again

A

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Wonder Stocks's avatar

Interesting write up Matt. I'm in this one for the long term. Any thoughts on the Platform business ?

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